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Title: Oddities
Post by: John W Blehm on April 14, 2015, 09:09:23 PM
LF lavender with short leg with two toes.  The left leg appears normal.
Title: Re: LF lavender with short leg with two toes
Post by: Cesar Villegas on April 14, 2015, 10:49:45 PM
Wow, John you sure do get some unusual chicks hatching at your place lol..

Whatever happened to the 4 legged chick?
Title: Re: LF lavender with short leg with two toes
Post by: John W Blehm on April 15, 2015, 09:47:17 AM
That was in 2012 and I don't remember, but he was able to get around fine so I probably included him with the "rejects" that I sell.  I had no use for him/her.
Title: Re: LF lavender with short leg with two toes
Post by: Suki on April 23, 2015, 07:31:26 PM
That was in 2012  Whatever happened to the 4 legged chick?

That's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
Title: Re: LF lavender with short leg with two toes
Post by: John W Blehm on April 23, 2015, 08:19:29 PM
Well if you thing that is weird...back in 2011 one of my gals laid the weirdest egg I'd ever seen.  Ripley's was originally interested in it, but then didn't follow up. 
It did have a beautiful blue color.
Title: Re: LF lavender with short leg with two toes
Post by: Holly Frosch on April 24, 2015, 12:19:15 PM
Goodness, John!  :o Is this a Michigan (PBB) thing? Kind of interesting, though ...
Title: Re: LF lavender with short leg with two toes
Post by: Mike Gilbert on April 24, 2015, 12:48:25 PM
Ever since that nuclear reactor next to John's place exploded . . . .  ;D
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: John W Blehm on March 18, 2016, 09:43:27 AM
As with some other varieties, there have been problems with a few feathers or stubs showing up on LF lavenders.  Fewer occur each year and all are culled as day-old chicks as each is inspected.  Even so this one hatched this week and rather than stubs it appeared feather legged.
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Mike Gilbert on March 18, 2016, 11:37:15 AM
John, can you think of anything in the development of these birds that had feathered legs?    I have seen it on other chicks of several breeds, so always assumed it was a minor mutation. 
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: John W Blehm on March 18, 2016, 12:51:30 PM
No feather legged ancestors since they walked off the ark.
"Minor mutation" came to my mind also.
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: John W Blehm on March 03, 2017, 02:06:26 PM
I sold 80 "reject" chicks yesterday locally and as I was moving them from the brooder to a box I noticed one with a small crest.  It is a LF and from an outcross involving two varieties of Ameraucanas. 
As Dicky Lee sang... "Strange things happen in this world (https://youtu.be/M0N4nyYS5aA)".
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Mike Gilbert on March 03, 2017, 02:15:54 PM
  I've noticed most of these aberrations occur here when eggs are saved for hatching during cold weather.    This year I have had a number of chicks from my bantam Dark Brahma pair where the outer two toes are fused together.   The adult pair have perfectly normal toes, but they are related.   I guess these chicks wanted to be ducks!  Click on the photos to enlarge them. 

Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Russ Blair on March 04, 2017, 11:15:58 AM
I am truly rolling on the floor over here  ;D between mo Hawks and fusion I am cracking up. I also liked reminiscing over the past oddities as well
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Beth Curran on March 04, 2017, 03:06:57 PM
  I've noticed most of these aberrations occur...
... at John's house. I believe I'll bring bottled water to Fowl Fest!  ;D
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Max Strawn on March 07, 2017, 12:28:08 PM
I have never seen or heard of this before. This chick hatched with no eyes!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Beth Curran on March 07, 2017, 10:43:19 PM
I had one a long time ago. It also had a crossed beak.
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Russ Blair on March 08, 2017, 01:41:27 PM
He or she will be easy to catch  ;D
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Jensen Pierson on March 08, 2017, 02:49:20 PM
That is the coolest and yet weirdest thing ever. Are you going to let it live? Be interesting to see how long it lasts.
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: John W Blehm on March 08, 2017, 02:52:09 PM
I have never seen or heard of this before. This chick hatched with no eyes!  :o :o :o

I knew I'd seen that condition before and searched thru my photos.  The one I found was in 2011, a Chantecler without eyes and a shortened upper beak.  Strange how some of the same oddities pop up.
While searching I also found a photo of a chick with bulgy eyes from 2013.
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Cesar Villegas on March 09, 2017, 12:23:41 AM
I have never seen or heard of this before. This chick hatched with no eyes!  :o :o :o

I knew I'd seen that condition before and searched thru my photos.  The one I found was in 2011, a Chantecler without eyes and a shortened upper beak.  Strange how some of the same oddities pop up.
While searching I also found a photo of a chick with bulgy eyes from 2013.

i had a chick hatch with bulging eyes a couple of months ago. Unfortunatelty it was a male do to my auto sex mating, I culled it due to space and me not needing males.
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Beth Curran on March 09, 2017, 09:33:33 AM
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Unfortunatelty it was a male do to my auto sex mating, I culled it due to space and me not needing males.

I'm not familiar with the bulging eyes but I've heard that chicks born without eyes usually have brain damage and are unlikely to survive. I don't remember if I culled mine or if it expired on it's own first.
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Mike Gilbert on March 09, 2017, 09:39:32 AM
I didn't take photos, but years ago, in the dead of winter, I had couple of albino chicks hatch.   Their eyes were almost a glowing red.   Apparently they could not see to eat or drink, because they both died within a few days after hatching.
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Steve Neumann on March 13, 2017, 11:17:01 PM
Three years ago I hatched a four legged, four winged chick with no vent.  Almost certain it came from a double yolker.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/steveniggemann/10533875_10154403548300473_7487233377884282421_o_zpsc2lrd6nf.jpeg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/steveniggemann/media/10533875_10154403548300473_7487233377884282421_o_zpsc2lrd6nf.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Mike Gilbert on March 14, 2017, 08:21:25 AM
These examples illustrate how mutations, the only possible means of progressive evolution, are nearly always not beneficial, but detrimental instead.   While micro-evolution can explain things like feathered legs, crests, different comb types, different plumage coloration, etc., it could never explain how life began or how a single celled organism could develop into a bird or animal, much less a human being, because major mutations are nearly always fatal.   After all these changes within the species, we still have chickens, not something else. 
Nor can it explain how one "kind" evolves into another "kind," e.g., a reptile turning into a bird or a rabbit turning into a dog.  While we have many extinct species, there are no intermediate forms in the fossil record - according the head curator of the largest fossil collection in the world at the British Museum of Natural History.   The latter is called macro-evolution, the fairy tale for adults (in my opinion) that started with Darwin and has led to countless negative socio-economic consequences.    Hitler, for example, was highly influenced by Darwinian theory and so was Margaret Sanger.  Having studied this issue for about the last 30-40 years I came to the conclusion that it takes much more faith to believe in macro-evolution than it does to believe in intelligent design by a creator, the supreme being we call God.   And I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist. 
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: John W Blehm on March 14, 2017, 10:20:25 AM
Three years ago I hatched a four legged, four winged chick with no vent.  Almost certain it came from a double yolker.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/steveniggemann/10533875_10154403548300473_7487233377884282421_o_zpsc2lrd6nf.jpeg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/steveniggemann/media/10533875_10154403548300473_7487233377884282421_o_zpsc2lrd6nf.jpeg.html)

Very interesting and unusual  I think your "twin" theory is correct.  Extra appendages (Polymelia) do show up with most animals and humans.
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymelia
Sometimes an embryo started as conjoined twins, but one twin degenerated completely except for one or more limbs, which end up attached to the other twin.
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Beth Curran on March 14, 2017, 02:11:37 PM
Mike, that reminds me of my 4th grade science teacher, who taught adaptation as opposed to evolution. He made it clear he believed in creation, but acknowledged that there have been changes over time: it's unlikely Adam stood 6'2" and the animals we know today probably bear little resemblance to the animals of his time, but a fish is still a fish and a human is still a human. I always thought that was a pretty reasonable explanation.
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Mike Gilbert on March 14, 2017, 02:21:50 PM
Mike, that reminds me of my 4th grade science teacher, who taught adaptation as opposed to evolution. He made it clear he believed in creation, but acknowledged that there have been changes over time: it's unlikely Adam stood 6'2" and the animals we know today probably bear little resemblance to the animals of his time, but a fish is still a fish and a human is still a human. I always thought that was a pretty reasonable explanation.

Since Adam and Eve were created before all the mutations occurred, they were probably bigger, stronger, smarter, and a lot more healthy than we are today.  And they sure lived and reproduced a whole lot longer.   It is one of the laws of thermodynamics that the earth and what is in it is running down.  I guess you could call that reverse evolution, or devolution.    In case anyone is interested in the science behind this, I will just refer them to the many articles and information available at the website of:   www.answersingenesis.org .    At their home page, click on the Answers link and choose the particular subject that interests you most.   
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: John W Blehm on March 27, 2018, 07:38:32 PM
I had one a long time ago. It also had a crossed beak.

Here is a large fowl "lavender silver" Ameraucana chick with a crossed beak and very small eyes due to what looks like a deformed/shrunken skull (vertically). 
Title: Re: Oddities
Post by: Caprice Dowsland on November 15, 2018, 04:46:17 PM
OMG that egg looks like a giant sperm but love it's blue color!
The wierdest I got was my crooked toe paint sizzle (said to be a genetic defect or non-balanced heat and humidity in incubator) and my silkies that have that one short,underdeveloped toes. I only hatched two clutches of my ameraucana just to make sure my incubator was working (otherwise I wouldn't breed them, especially now since I prefer the little guys) and none of them that hatched(only three) had any oddities. I only get the wierdo's in my silkie and sizzles. but I don't judge the wierdos, as long as they can eat, drink, sleep, breathe, and run and mostly "live" I'm fine just write them down as NO BREEDING.