Ameraucana Forum
The Official Ameraucana Forum => Breeding => Topic started by: Dennis Heltzel on March 10, 2017, 08:19:38 AM
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Lavender Silvers and Lavender Wheatens both sound awesome!! Color options like this can really spur outside interests in standard bred Ameraucanas.
Lavender also alters red, so what would a Lavender Buff look like? Cream-like color?
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Lavender Silvers and Lavender Wheatens both sound awesome!! Color options like this can really spur outside interests in standard bred Ameraucanas.
Lavender also alters red, so what would a Lavender Buff look like? Cream-like color?
Yes. The lavender gene (Lav) dilutes black feathers (eumelanin) to the color called lavender, but the same gene also dilutes red feathers (pheomelanin) to the color called isabella. Buff is already a diluted red, so I'm not sure how much lighter lavender would make buff and if isabella would still be the proper term. In my lavender silver females I've noted the breast, which would be salmon color on a silver, is more pink in color.
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To evaluate how lav might dilute pheomelanin, take a look at Porcelain D'Uccles. They are Mille Fleurs with two copies of lav added. Here is a link. Not particularly attractive to my eye, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder - or so they say.
http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGK/Millies/PorcDUccleMUK.JPEG
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I can't wait for the self-blue silver or the self-blue wheaten issue to present itself.
Self-blue Blue aka Lavender with Blue highlights. I have one. He's tremendous looking.
I don't see it changing. The fact that it will be confusing will give the judges more power. Pathetic
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Lavender Silvers and Lavender Wheatens both sound awesome!! Color options like this can really spur outside interests in standard bred Ameraucanas.
Tractor Supply had Ameraucanas mixed with Easter Eggers this year at my store in Eynon (near Scranton). The manager told me that they sold out that afternoon.
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Lavender Silvers and Lavender Wheatens both sound awesome!! Color options like this can really spur outside interests in standard bred Ameraucanas.
Lavender also alters red, so what would a Lavender Buff look like? Cream-like color?
Yes. The lavender gene (Lav) dilutes black feathers (eumelanin) to the color called lavender, but the same gene also dilutes red feathers (pheomelanin) to the color called isabella. Buff is already a diluted red, so I'm not sure how much lighter lavender would make buff and if isabella would still be the proper term. In my lavender silver females I've noted the breast, which would be salmon color on a silver, is more pink in color.
I really like buff as it is, so even though it crossed my mind I don't plan to create bantam or large fowl isabella Ameraucanas. Plus I don't need another variety. It could be easy to do and only take a couple years (possible...maybe not probable). Cross buff cocks over lavender hens (this guarantees the pullets are gold/s+ based) to produce your F1 outcrosses that should be mostly black with some buff feathers. The 2nd year breed the F1 siblings among themselves and hatch as many as you can. You are playing the odds here, looking to keep only the pure isabella chicks. Some chicks that hatch and appear to be isabella (down) could show some lavender (aka diluted black) feathers as they mature. I've made a few outcrosses between buff and black and know frm experience it could take years to eliminate the lavender feathers before ending up with pure isabella.
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Here's an Isabel Orpington
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/629444/10-lavender-isabel-porcelain-orpington-project-55-shipped-buy-it-now-beakhouse
And here's an Isabel Cuckoo Orpington
http://www.chickenridgefarm.com/isabel-cuckoo-orpington.html
They're very popular on FB these days.
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Here's an Isabel Orpington
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/629444/10-lavender-isabel-porcelain-orpington-project-55-shipped-buy-it-now-beakhouse
And here's an Isabel Cuckoo Orpington
http://www.chickenridgefarm.com/isabel-cuckoo-orpington.html
They're very popular on FB these days.
From the photos I see neither appear to be 100% isabella (aka isabel). They have patterns, so also have lavender feathers.
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From the photos I see neither appear to be 100% isabella (aka isabel). They have patterns, so also have lavender feathers.
Well then I don't know what your "Isabella" would be.
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From the photos I see neither appear to be 100% isabella (aka isabel). They have patterns, so also have lavender feathers.
Well then I don't know what your "Isabella" would be.
Just as the lavender variety is based on a solid black feathered bird with all the feathers diluted to lavender an isabella would be based on a solid gold (red/buff) bird with all the feathers diluted to "soft orange or creamy light straw colour". (http://www.leghorn.nl/artikelen/Isabel%20patrijs-UK.pdf) I believe the patterned varieties that some call isabella should be called lavender brown, lavender partridge, lavender wheaten, etc. of maybe isabella brown, isabella partridge, isabella wheaten, etc. "Isabella" should be reserved for a solid (or fairly solid) color, just as lavender is.
I don't know that anyone has created a pure/100% isabella chicken.
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Well the Australian Leghorn group claims that they have
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/614742/isabella-coloring (http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/614742/isabella-coloring)
And cackle hatchery sells them
https://www.cacklehatchery.com/isabella-leghorn.html
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Well the Australian Leghorn group claims that they have
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/614742/isabella-coloring (http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/614742/isabella-coloring)
And cackle hatchery sells them
https://www.cacklehatchery.com/isabella-leghorn.html
But they are multicolored birds...not solid.
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Well the Australian Leghorn group claims that they have
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/614742/isabella-coloring (http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/614742/isabella-coloring)
And cackle hatchery sells them
https://www.cacklehatchery.com/isabella-leghorn.html
But they are multicolored birds...not solid.
Nomenclature is not uniform throughout the world. Pretty much par for the course. So I guess a rose by any other name is still a rose. I do agree that Isabella should designate only a solid colored bird, but that is not what many are saying, and I have no horse in the race.
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I agree with Mike...whatever you call it, and the Aussie's are calling their leghorns Isabellas, they are purty.