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John W Blehm

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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2018, 10:00:11 PM »
My first thought was Brown (eb) due to what I thought looked like the "helmet pattern".  Then I noticed a bit of an eye line and thought maybe wildtype (e+).  The back stripes could be attributed to either.  I'll study it in hand and try it come up with an educated guess.  I'll raise the chick for a while.
This must be what Holly posted about back on the 1st page of this topic.
My cockerels are descended from a male from you also, so at least one of them and this one pullet/hen carry whatever it is.  I'm now only using the larger of my two cockerels over her so maybe I won't get more like this chick...maybe I will.  She was laying 5 to 6 eggs per week and just decided to take a break.


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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2018, 09:14:52 PM »
After hatching as many LF chicks as I could for 3 months, from one pullet, and raising just the ones with what appeared to be good brown red phenotype I have just a pair that look promising.  If all goes well I'll show them at Portage in September.  These started getting brown red color/pattern around 2 months of age and I believe if they remain mostly black until 3 months of age they are either not pure ER/ER and/or carrying an unwanted eumelanin enhancing gene(s).  I have some that are just starting to show red on the tops of their heads and will sell them locally as meat birds.
These were probably hatched in late February or March.
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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2018, 08:12:27 AM »
I really appreciate this topic since this is my first year breeding LF Brown Reds, that I was lucky to get from Mike last National Meet. All the chicks I have hatched have been all black, some show a little red tint in there head. I was just wondering last night how old they need to be to be able to start actually noticing the brown red colors. I will also add I lost one pullet this past winter Mike but have both Cockerels in a pen with the pullet and have had two hatches with 100% success. Several others were 80% or better so I am very happy. I think I have 20-30 hatched and just set my last batch this past Monday.
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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2018, 08:53:21 AM »
I really appreciate this topic since this is my first year breeding LF Brown Reds, that I was lucky to get from Mike last National Meet. All the chicks I have hatched have been all black, some show a little red tint in there head. I was just wondering last night how old they need to be to be able to start actually noticing the brown red colors. I will also add I lost one pullet this past winter Mike but have both Cockerels in a pen with the pullet and have had two hatches with 100% success. Several others were 80% or better so I am very happy. I think I have 20-30 hatched and just set my last batch this past Monday.

Russ, it takes time for them to color up.  You didn't say how old yours are?  Give them time - it can be a big mistake to cull too early. 
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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2018, 09:46:01 AM »
Yeah my oldest are only two months old, I figured them being multicolored like Silvers it would take awhile. I was mainly thinking of just getting there color, I wasn’t very clear. I was figuring it would be around 6 months to really cull for color if they are anything like the Silver varieties?
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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2018, 10:34:46 AM »
Russ,  If they "show a little red tint in there head" as day-old then I would cull them.  The red should start showing up by a couple months of age.


Yesterday I sorted thru my growing birds for the first time this year and found six LF brown reds...3 pullets and 3 cockerels.  The bigger/older ones were the ones I was noticing before, since they have the full adult color/pattern.  The smaller/younger ones are still mostly black.  Since my first hatch was February 13th, the oldest ones are under 4 months of age yet.  I would guess the younger ones to be 2-3 months old. 
The oldest pullet is looking very nice, but the cockerel has way to much red in his breast. 

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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2018, 12:40:44 PM »
I thought I remembered that from another discussion, possibly this thread? Unfortunately I wouldn’t be able to tell which ones they were now. I only remember seeing 3-4 they had the slight red tint on top of there head. Thanks John, I will definitely be on the look out these last 3 hatches. Can I ask why the red tint is not desirable if you don’t mind.
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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2018, 03:34:44 PM »
Russ, the red tint on the head in chick down means they will be way over-colored with red, including a lot of shafting.  You can cull those at hatch.
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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2018, 04:39:30 PM »
At hatch a brown red chick is blacker than a black.

Day-old chicks that are mostly black with red heads are probably split at the e-locus, like maybe ER/e+, if they look like the ones in the photo below.

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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2018, 09:06:47 PM »
That makes perfect sense, I greatly appreciate your sharing this knowledge.
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Re: Brown Reds and Crosses
« Reply #55 on: June 06, 2018, 10:19:22 PM »
At hatch a brown red chick is blacker than a black.

Day-old chicks that are mostly black with red heads are probably split at the e-locus, like maybe ER/e+, if they look like the ones in the photo below. 

There was a time in my small flock when that was true - ER split with e+ or eb.   But I never saved any of those red tinted chicks for breeding, so that should have eliminated them in just one generation of careful culling.   But I still get some, so I think something else is involved besides that particular split. 
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