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Breeding / Re: Dun variety project
« Last post by Pedro Nunes Marques on November 07, 2025, 07:12:31 am »
I believe I’m getting a lighter khaki color.
They are offspring from a mother with the same color and a Buff male, some are hatching khaki and others Buff again.
It wouldn’t really be an outcross for the Buffs, but I believe I may be achieving a new genetic combination. My Buffs aren’t very fertile and tend to go broody easily.
The khaki hen, on the other hand, has a better profile, she’s larger in size, lays many more eggs, and hasn’t gone broody.
I hope to get some good Buffs from her, and I plan to continue working with a separate khaki line to see what I can achieve.
What do you all think?
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Breeding / Re: Dun variety project
« Last post by John W Blehm on November 06, 2025, 10:24:32 pm »
...The straw tone I’m referring to would be the light khaki color, correct?

Yes, I believe it is.
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Laurie, I hope to attend This Show next season!  Thanks for sharing. 
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Breeding / Re: Dun variety project
« Last post by Pedro Nunes Marques on November 06, 2025, 05:21:34 pm »
Thank you! I’ll read that section in your book again. The straw tone I’m referring to would be the light khaki color, correct?
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Exhibiting, Promoting & Club Notes / Re: 2026 National Meet Bids
« Last post by Laurie Ashley - Selah Farms on November 06, 2025, 03:34:59 pm »
Something to consider would be entry requirements for states for NPIP/AI testing requirements, I know some states require AI testing within 14 days of the show date, which can prove problematic for out of state exhibition when often times you can't rely on getting test results back that quickly always. 
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Ameraucana Marketplace / Re: Ameraucana Chickens - the book
« Last post by John W Blehm on November 06, 2025, 01:45:10 pm »
I'd appreciate a little review, on the Cackle Hatchery site, from anyone that has the book.
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Breeding / Re: Dun variety project
« Last post by John W Blehm on November 06, 2025, 01:38:55 pm »
Pedro, you can see from some of the other photos I've posted in this topic chicks and chickens of mine with colors similar to your birds. In my Ameraucana Chickens book I wrote that the dun gene ID is "Incompletely dominant. Primarily inhibits production of black pigment. Two dun alleles (ID/ID) produce khaki, aka splash dun. A Dun Ameraucana (ID/i+) X a Dun Ameraucana (ID/i+) = 25% black, 50% dun & 25% khaki." There is not only a big difference between the color of a pure/homozygous dun chicken and one that is heterozygous, but it appears that other genes cause many various shades within each variety. In my opinion, once you have introduced the dun gene into your line of Ameraucana chickens you need to keep selectively breeding for the feather color you want. For me it is the brown or chocolate color, that took four years to achieve. I didn't want khaki, so each year I bred black to offspring that appeared to have the dun gene and also show the most brown color. Next year this chocolate (dun) male will be crossed over several black females in hopes of producing only more chocolate and black offspring, without khaki chicks (hopefully!).
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Breeding / Re: Dun variety project
« Last post by Pedro Nunes Marques on November 06, 2025, 12:47:01 pm »
Hello John, how are you? Here they’re hatching in a kind of straw-colored shade. I crossed the female with a black male and have daughters from that cross, though they’re not breeding yet. These chicks are from the first female that hatched here with what I believe to be the Dun gene — she has a straw tone. Her offspring with a Buff male are hatching partly Buff and partly Dun again, like their mother. What do you think? Should I continue working on this line and see how the birds turn out?
Thank you to everyone in the Alliance group.
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Exhibiting, Promoting & Club Notes / Re: Meet Policy Update
« Last post by Russ Blair on November 05, 2025, 12:54:23 pm »
Beth you didn’t kill the topic, we all just waited to hear your words of wisdom 😉.

A lot of what you said has merit, and I will strongly encourage every board member to review all of the suggestions posted in this discussion. I hope to begin the conversation about our meet policy with our current board of directors as soon as we hash out our 2026 National Meet Bids.

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Exhibiting, Promoting & Club Notes / Re: Meet Policy Update
« Last post by Beth Curran on November 02, 2025, 10:55:10 pm »
Looks like I can still kill a thread! ;)

I've been reading and trying to keep up, but this thread has been moving quicker than my brain so I am just now getting around to commenting.

I haven't done any showing in quite a while. I believe the last time I took birds to a show was the first or second AA national in Indiana. I still have a few out here and even hatched a handful last spring just to try to keep them going, but don't see myself showing again any time soon, so these are just my general thoughts - I don't really have skin in the game.

First off, I like lots of meets, providing the people calling them attend. When I first became interested in this breed, the first thing I did was check the website and look for activities near me and I was very discouraged to find absolutely nothing less than 12 hours away. Once I joined and discovered all I needed to do to have a meet closer was to request it myself, I did every chance I got. There weren't a lot of Ameraucanas in NC back then and in the beginning mine were often the only ones at a show. But there were other Ameraucana folks around. I met Don Cash and John Marshall who both had a great deal of experience in the hobby, and through them I met others. We showed our birds and people started asking about them and where they could get some and over time we started seeing bigger classes, more people raising Ameraucanas, and more club members from the Carolinas. I credit much of that growth to Don and it would have certainly been possible without meets or even a club, but I firmly believe calling those early meets helped by giving us an official presence in a region where we had not previously been visible. I'm glad the ability to use that valuable tool was not restricted.

However, just as I believe that tool should not be restricted, I believe just as strongly that it should not be abused. If I had called those meets and not shown up, anyone who made the trip to the show in the hope of meeting other Ameraucana enthusiasts, learning about the birds, club, etc. would have been left with a very bad impression. I believe that anyone who is willing to condition, groom, load, and haul birds across the state (or several states), spend money they often can't afford on gas, lodging, in my case usually a rental car (telling the agent with a straight face I won't have any "pets" in it), entry fees, etc. for non-cash awards deserves to have a meet for each time they do it. But anyone who calls a meet and does not show up had better have a darn good reason (think calling out sick at Walmart on Black Friday) or face suspension from calling meets for a period of time that would increase substantially for repeat offenders. But only penalize the offenders. Those who have been calling meets and showing up, doing what they are supposed to all along should be allowed to continue without infringement.

The "expectation " of 3 or more people showing: in the early days I'd have fallen short of 3 people even if you counted the EEs that were DQ'd. If I hadn't called meets knowing I'd be the only one there, we would never have worked up to class sizes with actual competition. Call them and they will come. Eventually.

Show secretaries that don't submit reports make my hair hurt. It's maddening, especially when you finally receive it and it's incorrect (which, in my experience, is at least half the time). One member had the same issue with the same show club, same secretary, spring and fall shows, year after year. The only option was to refuse meets, which would have hurt our member, who didn't deserve it, and had very little impact on the show club. In order to save our Director of Meets' sanity without penalizing a member for something that wasn't their fault, we came up with a backup plan where the member does their own report and, if the show secretary doesn't submit one within 30 days, we use the member's. In the interest of avoiding any appearance of impropriety, we ask that the member get a signature from someone else to verify the report. (Show secretary, another member, etc.) I haven't read the current policy but being part of the original discussion, I know the spirit of the rule had less to do with *who* signed it and more to do with *someone* verifying it (obviously not your spouse, kid, etc.). This wasn't done to make it harder for the exhibitors, it was done to give them a back up plan when dealing with an impossible show club that was often the only option within driving distance.

I can't add much with regard to points as by the time we started doing that I wasn't showing much, but as  far as being present at a show vs sending birds with someone else, I honestly don't see a problem. If a bird is better than mine it deserves to win over mine. I've talked people into sending birds to a show they couldn't attend just to get enough entries to make it count, and they ended up beating me. I thought it was funny then and it still makes me laugh.  Besides,  the hard work is done well before the show. If you bred it, raised it, conditioned it, groomed it, taught it to be handled, did the testing, paid the entry fees, etc. what does it matter if someone else stuck it in the show cage? Now, that's just my opinion and, as I said, I really don't have skin in the game, but before implementing a new rule, I suggest considering it from all angles. For example, say Joe can't attend a show but he sends his birds with his friend. If we decide that Joe can't earn points/awards if his birds do well, what happens if Joe's birds don't do so well? If Joe can't earn points if he wins because he isn't there, it isn't fair for someone else to earn points from beating a guy who isn't there, so the winner's points would have to be calculated as if Joe's birds weren't there (and maybe he sent a bunch). Resulting in fewer points for the other competitors and additional headaches for the Director of Meets. And what if Joe is that third guy needed to have a meet? Does he count then? I personally think it's a slippery slope.

As far as the website/forum, I've always found both easy to navigate and the search feature on our forum works far better than other sites I use - it's gotten me a bit spoiled. My only complaint is with the pictures. I don't think I've ever been able to upload a picture to the forum, I've always had to upload them to a 3rd party site and link them. I haven't tried in a long time, maybe it's better now.

Did I miss anything?
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