They both have a black spot on there head...I'm not positive that there isn't wheaten behind them, but pullet and cockerel have buff feather shafting and buff under color...The cockerel is dark buff and there is a dark buff pullet in the pen.. I was thinking that I might try to use them for a red line, bit the 'chipmunk' and pattern surprised me..the older one seems to be turning out to look like the brown EE color I see so much of with what looks like columbian??? They are LF, and I don't see any black...other than being a little on the dark buff side, they appear to be normal buff..