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Breeding / Re: Improving LF buff Ameraucanas
« Last post by Suki on April 11, 2021, 06:32:37 PM »Well it sure is an interesting look.
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Breeding / Re: Improving LF buff Ameraucanas
« Last post by Mike Gilbert on April 11, 2021, 04:13:39 PM »Yes, that is a big change for one generation to the next. Good work.
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Breeding / Re: Improving LF buff Ameraucanas
« Last post by John W Blehm on April 11, 2021, 02:29:46 PM »Here is one of the pullets hatched earlier this year from part of this lf buff improvement project. She is from a lf buff Ameraucana cock over a lf black Ameraucana/lf laced buff Polish pullet. She has dominant white (I) in her tail that the photo doesn't show, but overall I feel this is a lot of progress for the F2 generation.
The Polish hen, in the previous post, was her grandmother.
The Polish hen, in the previous post, was her grandmother.
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Breeding / Re: Improving LF buff Ameraucanas
« Last post by John W Blehm on April 10, 2021, 10:05:55 AM »Hopefully a week from today I'll have some photos of chicks from these crosses with my first hatch of the season. I also kept a LF black/Polish cross cockerel to put over the LF buff hens.so that cock bird is black and I guess dominant white? Interesting method for buffs.
The dominant white (I) came from the silver laced buff Polish. It changes black to white, but it doesn't effect red/buff color. So self buff varieties that carry dominant white would show silver/white "salting" in the tails rather than the common black "peppering". With the Polish dominant white (I) makes what would be black lacing into silver/white. This Polish variety is based on ER, so even though they bring in several undesired traits when crossed with Ameraucanas they could be used to try to improve laced blue Ameraucanas.
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Exhibiting, Promoting & Club Notes / Re: Book Report
« Last post by Mindy Waters on April 10, 2021, 01:11:46 AM »This is very exciting!
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Breeding / Re: Improving LF buff Ameraucanas
« Last post by Suki on April 09, 2021, 11:12:53 PM »I snapped a picture of the pullet that is an outcross of a black LF male x silver bantam female.I wasn't that lucky. Nice shot.
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Breeding / Re: Improving LF buff Ameraucanas
« Last post by Suki on April 09, 2021, 11:12:11 PM »Hopefully a week from today I'll have some photos of chicks from these crosses with my first hatch of the season. I also kept a LF black/Polish cross cockerel to put over the LF buff hens.so that cock bird is black and I guess dominant white? Interesting method for buffs.
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Breeding / Re: Laced Blues
« Last post by Suki on April 09, 2021, 11:08:37 PM »I don't get into the genetics, I just eyeball it. They either have lacing or don't. If they don't they're dinner. What their genetic makeup is between them and Ancestry.com.
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Breeding / Re: Laced Blues
« Last post by John W Blehm on April 09, 2021, 10:38:19 PM »Justin,
Birchen (ER) is what Mike and I have recommended for several years for laced blue. Note the quote of mine you included with your question lists the e-locus genes I believe the varieties, listed after them, can be based on...but the underlined variety names are the ones I believe would be best.
Birchen (ER) is what Mike and I have recommended for several years for laced blue. Note the quote of mine you included with your question lists the e-locus genes I believe the varieties, listed after them, can be based on...but the underlined variety names are the ones I believe would be best.
Quote from: John W Blehm http://ameraucanaalliance.org/forum/index.php?topic=1062.msg7147#msg7147
Some do still breed blues to blacks, but the current opinion is that the best blues are based on birchen (ER) while the best blacks, lavenders and whites should be based on Extended black (E). E produces the best solid colored varieties. Blue is really Laced Blue, so it isn't a solid color and some assume ER is a better base color/pattern to build it on.
Quote from: http://chickengenetics.edelras.nl/QuoteFurther research by Dr Okimoto (quote from Classroom @ The Coop: Blue & E/ or ER/, posted May 02, 2006) ......
Some of us speculated that Andalusian blue used ER instead of E because ER would be more amenable to secondary pattern genes like Pg. I recently tested some Andalusian Blues from McMurray. I had a mixed batch of chicks so I could only tell the gray ones as blues the blacks could have been something else. There were three gray chicks that produced gray chick feathers. Two were homozygous ER ER and the third was heterozygous E ER. My guess is that E probably causes the dark birds and that the show quality birds are probably ER.
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Breeding / Re: Laced Blues
« Last post by Mike Gilbert on April 09, 2021, 07:58:12 PM » ER would be my preference. Also, I don't think buff should be built on eb, as they would have gray undercolor, and Buff should be buff all the way to the stem of the feather. I have some of those right now in my Buff Chanteclers after crossing them with Partridge.